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Rita Verdonk

05-09-06 00:23:17
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koel ze.... ;)

05-09-06 00:46:21
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/me stoomd even de aardappelen gaar..

Rita Ver*
maar goed, ze is gekozen en elke gekozen minster staat onder toezicht - of ze nu getrouwd is met de goedheiligman maakt nix uit - en correctie en supervisie is onderdeel van ons systeem.

Wat nu als er grove fouten zijn geconstateerd - en dan doen we niets -- neen want het komt nu goed uit - het gaat economisch op eens beter.. lag dat daar aan... jaja.. want mijn paranoia mind zegt dan; iran ruilt ze voor olie.. die vluchtelingen.. met Christelijke achtergrond.. tja.. en dan is dat zo.. (bron niet gecontroleerd of ze bestaat - maar ik prik even,..)

05-09-06 00:49:00
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hee heraux, het is hier geen chatten.nl.... dat je er een / voor zet... :lol:

05-09-06 00:55:08
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segtog; ben un irc-colonist ;):>

06-09-06 02:51:27
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tja, en nu is het dood.. waar zijn all die fiere felle falicante frikandellen met opinie en opmerking, discussio en debat..


06-09-06 02:51:41
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{ redundante maar nu vakante plek }

te huur - een stukje edit - voor 2.50€ per maand.. wie wil er in, voorziet in alle vrije menings uiting, goed uitzicht op WMR - airconditioning door de mede-posters..

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08-09-06 03:15:04
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Verdonk voert de wet uit doet ze dat niet zit ze ook fout.
Verdonk ga door waar je was gebleven want jij bent de enige met kl*ten in dit kabinet !

en dat is mijn mening

27-09-06 06:11:31
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@Twaggy:
Befehl ist Befehl; dat is jouw stelling ?; enlighten
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Donorov

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27-09-06 06:15:54
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Quote:
Niet professioneel

Dat er desondanks formulieren naar Congo gingen waarop het aangevinkte hokje 'asiel' niet was afgeplakt, noemde Visser "ernstig" en "bepaald niet professioneel". Verdonk is daarvoor verantwoordelijk en daarop aanspreekbaar. Het beleid hoeft echter niet veranderd, maar de uitvoering moet beter en daarvoor moet Verdonk de aanbevelingen van de commissie-Havermans overnemen.


Das pas hilarisch - hoe debiel moet je dan zijn niet te denken, afgeplakt..oooh, geen asielaanvrager - volgens nederlandse denk normen - correct. Ik twijfel aan de Intellegentia die ooit.. nee laat ik niet twijfelen..

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Netherlands: Threat to Return Gay and Lesbian Iranians
HRW Letter to Minister Verdonk
March 8, 2006

Mrs. drs. M.C.F. Verdonk
Minister of Alien Affairs and Integration
Ministry of Justice
P.O. Box 20301
2500 EH
The Hague
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Dear Minister Verdonk:

On behalf of Human Rights Watch, I am writing to protest your proposal to lift the existing moratorium on the deportation of gay and lesbian asylum seekers to Iran--and to object in the strongest possible terms to any actual resumption of expulsions of gay and lesbian asylum seekers to Iran. The stated grounds for your proposal, as reflected in your letter of February 28, 2006 to the Tweede Kamer, indicate a profound misunderstanding of the legal situation of homosexual conduct in Iran. Deportations of lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender asylum-seekers to Iran would violate Dutch government’s obligations to people facing torture or execution in their country of origin. We are particularly concerned that Human Rights Watch’s findings in a particular case appear to have been used to make a sweeping, and inaccurate, analysis of the legal penalties for homosexual conduct in Iran in general.

In your letter, purportedly based on an investigation by the Foreign Ministry, you state that “It appears that there are no cases of an execution [in Iran] on the basis of the sole fact that someone is homosexual … For homosexual men and women it is not totally impossible to function in society, although they should be wary of coming out of the closet too openly.” You predicate this generalization in large part on the fact that while initial accounts suggested that two young men executed in the city of Mashhad on July 19 were killed for the crime of lavat or consensual sodomy, later and more detailed reports raised the possibility that they had been convicted for an assault on a minor. To found a decision which could affect—and end—the lives of an unknown number of asylum-seekers on a single uncertain case, rather than a full examination of the existing penalties in legislation and in practice, is irresponsible.

Within the region, Iran is distinguished by the overt severity of the penalties it imposes on consensual, adult homosexual conduct. “Sodomy” or lavat—consummated sexual activity between males, whether penetrative or not—is punishable by execution, regardless of whether the partner is passive or active. (Article 111 of the Code of Islamic Punishments or Penal Code states that “Lavat is punishable by death so long as both the active and passive partners are mature, of sound mind, and have acted of free will.”) Tafkhiz (the rubbing together of thighs or buttocks or other forms of non-penetrative “foreplay” between men) is punishable by one hundred lashes for each partner, according to Articles 121-122 of the Penal Code. Recidivism is punishable by death on the fourth conviction. In addition, Article 123 of the Penal Code further provides that “If two men who are not related by blood lie naked under the same cover without any necessity,” each one will receive ninety-nine lashes. Articles 127 to 134 stipulate that the punishment for sexual intercourse between women is one hundred lashes and if the offence is repeated three times, the punishment is execution. 1

Consistent with Islamic law and Quranic tradition, Iran’s Penal Code requires that sodomy will be considered proven if the accused person reiterates a confession to the act four times or if four “righteous men” testify that they have witnessed the act. Yet the Code also offers a way of circumventing this titular high standard of evidence. Judges may lodge a conviction for sodomy based on “the knowledge of the judge,” in practice allowing a wide range of circumstantial evidence to be adduced as proof. Furthermore, the practice of torture is prevalent in Iran, and the practice of torturing prisoners to extract confessions is common. Forced confessions are openly accepted as evidence in criminal trials. In June 2002, Iran’s Council of Guardians—a committee of twelve senior clerics—vetoed a bill which had been passed by the Majlis (Parliament) which would have placed certain restrictions on the use of torture and would have limited the judicial use of confessions obtained under duress. Even that bill provided inadequate protections against torture; it would have set no limit, for instance, on the length of time that a person could be detained incommunicado, and would have exempted altogether from its protections certain categories of arrestees, including Mohareb (people at war with God), a general category for dissidents or moral offenders which could also be interpreted to include homosexuals.The refusal of Iran’s government to enact even rudimentary safeguards against torture sent a clear message that confessions can be obtained from arrestees by any means. In word and deed, that government has also continued to stigmatize certain categories of arrestees as undeserving of even the most minimal protections.

As is well known, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini called for homosexuals to be extirpated as “parasites and corruptors of the nation” who “spread the stain of wickedness.” In a further sign of the general judicial attitude to homosexual conduct, Ayatollah Musavi-Ardebili, at the time the head of the Supreme Council of Judiciary, said in a sermon delivered in 1990 at Teheran University: “For homosexuals, men or women, Islam has prescribed the most severe punishments… Do you know how homosexuals are treated in Islam? After it has been prov[en] on the basis of Shari’ah, they should seize him [or her]…they should keep him standing, they should split him in two with a sword, they should either cut off his neck or they should split him from the head. He will fall down. They get what they deserve” (BBC Monitoring, 21 May 1990).

In such an environment, it can reasonably be affirmed that the death penalty for lavat is not merely a paper punishment in Iran: it is enforced. Trials on morals charges in Iran are held in camera, and international outrage over the frequency of executions (Iran has the highest rate of executions per capita in the world) has led the government to exercise tight controls over press reporting of the death penalty. For these reasons, confirming the frequency of executions for lavat is effectively impossible. However, as reported by the newspaper Etemad (25 Esfand 1383/15 March 2005), two men were sentenced to death by the Teheran Criminal Court earlier this year, after the wife of one of the men discovered a videotape of the two engaging in homosexual acts. She lodged a complaint with the court, leading to the men’s arrest and trial. Similarly, on November 13, 2005, the semi-official Tehran daily Kayhan reported that the Iranian government publicly hung two men, Mokhtar N. (24 years old) and Ali A. (25 years old), in the Shahid Bahonar Square of the northern town of Gorgan. The government reportedly executed the two men for the crime of lavat.

Other reports show extensive police surveillance as well as torture of men suspected of homosexual conduct.
In September 2003, police arrested a group of men at a private gathering in one of their homes in Shiraz and held them in detention for several days. According to Amir, one of the men arrested—whom Human Rights Watch was able to interview after the event--police tortured the men to obtain confessions. The judiciary charged five of the defendants with “participation in a corrupt gathering” and fined them.
In June 2004, undercover police agents in Shiraz arranged meetings with men through Internet chatrooms and then arrested them. Amir was again arrested and held in detention for a week, during which time police repeatedly tortured him. The judicial authorities in Shiraz sentenced him to 175 lashes, 100 of which were administered immediately. Following his arrest, security officials subjected Amir to regular surveillance and periodic arrests. From July 2005 until he fled the country later in the year, police threatened Amir with imminent execution.
Human Rights Watch has communicated with and interviewed a number of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Iranians, both inside and outside Iran. Their accounts largely confirm the picture of a society where the social stigma, and attendant violence, attached to homosexual conduct is high—and where police and authorities repeatedly target and persecute suspected homosexuals in the name of social cleansing. Societal as well as official scrutiny of “deviant” behavior is widespread in Iran, with neighbors and even family members enlisted to support the state’s moral policing. Semi-official and “vigilante” organizations dedicated to enforcing public morality regularly proliferate in Iran, supported by the police and judiciary, as well as by conservative clerics. In 2002, for instance, the Teheran police department sponsored the formation of sixty special patrols (called Special Units, or Yegan-i-Vizhe) to monitor public conduct in the city. (See Charles Recknagel and Azam Gorgin, “Iran: New ‘Morality Police’ Units Generate Controversy,” RFE/RL, July 25, 2002). Most recently, in late 2004, the national judiciary began establishing, under its own supervision, a new group to police moral crimes called the Setad-e Hefazat-e Ejtema’i or Social Protection Division. This organization—drawing, like many parallel groups, on unemployed ex-military draftees to fill its ranks—aims to control “the social ills of each neighborhood and region” as well as “deviant individuals” ( according to its Articles of Association which were leaked to the Iranian press). In July 2005 a senior judicial official in Qom told reporters that 210 units of the Social Protection division employing 1,970 formally accredited volunteers had been set up throughout that city. These divisions would report serious moral offenses to the “disciplinary forces of the judiciary” for further action to be taken. (ISNA News Agency, 10 Tir 1384/1 July 2005). These developments suggest the degree of social and legal control over “deviance” considered necessary by the Iranian government.

Human Rights Watch is deeply disturbed by your assumption that simply keeping one’s sexuality covert and one’s selfhood hidden is a safe and acceptable response to the likelihood of persecution. It is an assumption mirrored by your statement, in the same letter, that “Only when Christians and converted Muslims [in Iran] present themselves with their faith too actively can they come to the negative attention of the authorities.” Both sexual orientation and religious belief are deeply felt and central aspects of the human person. No one should be expected to conceal them simply in order to stay alive. Such silencing is not a recourse from persecution: it is itself persecution. It is embarrassing for a high official of the Dutch government to endorse the notion that those who fear to speak out under the threat of death, can still be called free.

You are undoubtedly aware that a fundamental obligation rests upon the Netherlands not to return asylum-seekers to countries where they face the real risk of torture or execution. The European Convention on Human Rights prohibits the Netherlands from deporting a person who may be at risk of torture, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. In Said v Netherlands (Application no. 2345/02, judgment of July 5, 2005, confirmed by the Grand Chamber on October 5, 2005) the European Court specifically reminded the Dutch government that:

the expulsion of an alien by a Contracting State may give rise to an issue under Article 3, and hence engage the responsibility of that State under the Convention, where substantial grounds have been shown for believing that the person in question, if deported, would face a real risk of being subjected to treatment contrary to Article 3 in the receiving country. In these circumstances, Article 3 implies the obligation not to deport the person in question to that country (see, among other authorities, H.L.R. v. France, judgment of 29 April 1997, Reports of Judgments and Decisions 1997-III, p. 757, §§ 33-34).”

The Court went on to rule that the deportation of the applicant to Eritrea by the Dutch government would be a violation of the absolute prohibition under Article 3 of the ECHR.”

The European Court has further held that diplomatic assurances cannot justify returns to countries where torture is “endemic,” or a “recalcitrant and enduring problem.” (See Chahal v. the United Kingdom, judgment of 15 November 1996, Reports 1996-V).

As you also know, the Netherlands is also a party to the United Nations Convention Against Torture which specifically states, in Article 3, that “No State shall expel, return (“refouler”) or extradite a person to another State where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture.” It also requires that “For the purpose of determining whether there are such grounds, the competent authorities shall take into account all relevant considerations, including where applicable, the existence in the State concerned of a consistent pattern of gross, flagrant, or mass violations of human rights.”

Finally, we would also recall that the United Nations High Commission for Refugees has repeatedly urged states to recognize people facing persecution because of their sexual orientation as protected under the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol (Refugee Convention). These require that no state “shall expel or return (‘refouler’) a refugee in any manner whatsoever to the frontiers of territories where his life or freedom would be threatened on account of his race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion.” The UNCHR has declared “that persons facing attack, inhumane treatment, or serious discrimination because of their homosexuality,and whose governments are unable or unwilling to protect them, should be recognized as refugees" (UNHCR/PI/Q&A-UK1.PM5/Feb. 1996). We urge you to fulfill the moral and legal obligations upon your government by withdrawing this proposal.

Sincerely,

Scott Long
Director, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Rights Program
Human Rights Watch

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27-09-06 06:22:30
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Ik vermoed dat het engels niveau van Mvr Verdonk niet addequaat is om de lading en gevolgwaarde van dit document te kunnen bepalen.

Is een minister vrijgesteld van vervolging omdat men geen direct bewijs kan opvoeren of omdat men geen interesse heeft uit de noodzakelijkheid van haar functioneren, haar niet of nooit te vervolgen.

Als ik iemand in een bos achterlaat waarvan ik weet dat hij/zij er niet meer uitkomt dan is dat moord.

Misschien komt het strafrecht niet uit op momenten waar de noodzaak anders dwingt - welk maatschappelijk verval ligt hier in het verschiet en hoever kunnen we deze reeds inschalen?

27-09-06 07:38:14
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The Rita Connection

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Klik op Rita

Donorov

Verdonk lichtte Kamer honderd keer verkeerd in

liberty & security

Threat to Return Gay and Lesbian Iranians
HRW Letter to Minister Verdonk


Rita/Wiki - griezelen?

imho) rita is hier duidelijk geradikaliseerd naar rechts - heel toepasselijk en aangepast aan de moderne tijdsgeest.

Het verlaagt wel haar
betrouwbaarheids gehalte

27-09-06 10:17:25
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Ik vind het maar een dom mens. Dat zij maar weggaat uit Nederland.

05-10-06 17:52:12
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Verdonk valt uit naar Kamerlid om dubbel paspoort

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AMSTERDAM - Minister voor Vreemdelingenzaken Rita Verdonk (VVD) heeft Tweede Kamerlid Naïma Azough (GroenLinks) woensdag tijdens een debat over het Nederlanderschap persoonlijk de mantel uitgeveegd over haar dubbele nationaliteit. In het debat liet Azough zien dat zij niet alleen een Nederlands paspoort heeft, maar ook een Marokkaans identiteitsbewijs.

Nog meer...

05-10-06 21:27:52
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Rita verdonk doet haar werk goed. Alle criminele elementen die kunnen worden uitgezet moeten ook wegwezen. als je hier komt om uitkering te trekken of winkels leeg te jatten mag je van mijn betreft opdonderen

05-10-06 21:29:09
nietmeer
Mwahh, maar dan ook iedereen he, we kopen en stuk Siberië op en dumpen alle crimis daar!

05-10-06 21:31:29
Bakje Ovenpatat
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Zijn we meteen van al die zakkenvullers en andere ongewenste elementen af.

05-10-06 21:35:05
nietmeer
Pecies.

05-10-06 21:37:44
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Hoe duur kost n lappie siberië?

05-10-06 21:38:54
nietmeer
Een paar roebels bakshish en je komt er met een koopje vanaf

07-10-06 16:41:12
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Quote Bakje Ovenpatat:
Rita verdonk doet haar werk goed. Alle criminele elementen die kunnen worden uitgezet moeten ook wegwezen. als je hier komt om uitkering te trekken of winkels leeg te jatten mag je van mijn betreft opdonderen

Ik heb geen probleem met het uitzetten van criminelen, maar wie wilt ze hebben?

Als Frankrijk criminelen uitzet - hoer-a zeg jij dan, en ze komen naar Nederland - zeg jij dan ook hoer-b?
Kijk, uitzetten betekend dat ze ergens anders weer verder gaan - je ideologie is NIMBY (kop in het zand, Not in my Back Yard - niet in mijn tuin)

Dit heeft geen zin - de criminaliteit komt ergens vandaan en dat vereist onderzoek - en geen Verdonk met een SS mentaliteit van zodra ik popularistisch blijf schuiven kan niets misgaan - want uit het zicht.. is uit het hart.

Hoeveel lijken het ook kost - maar we zijn ook goed ingewijd.. Er komen nog wat meer zakken naar huis, levend en dood. Dus, zolang het niet zichtbaar is wie of waar... is alles okidokie

EN DAT WILDE WIJ EIGENLIJK SINDS 1945 NIET MEER - MAAR HET GEHEUGEN IS KORT

07-10-06 19:36:22
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Van der Laan: Verdonk heeft de macht

AMSTERDAM - De feitelijke macht bij het kabinet ligt bij VVD-minister Rita Verdonk (Vreemdelingenzaken). Premier Jan Peter Balkenende laat zich „intimideren” door de electorale kracht van Verdonk. Fractieleider Lousewies van der Laan van D66 zei dat zaterdag tijdens het verkiezingscongres van haar partij.

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19-10-06 23:23:09
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Verdonk wil geen 'zwart' voetbalteam

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AMSTERDAM - Sportclubs die uitsluitend allochtone of autochtone leden hebben, krijgen mogelijk geen subsidie meer. Zo moeten ze worden aangespoord mee te werken aan integratie. Dat zegt minister voor Integratie Rita Verdonk (VVD) donderdag in Het Parool.

De bewindsvrouw zegt een grote tegenstander te zijn van zwarte voetbalverenigingen. "Het is belangrijk dat jongeren elkaar ontmoeten. Clubs met uitsluitend witte of zwarte leden werken integratie tegen. Die jongeren drinken in de pauze geen thee samen." Het plan clubs hun subsidie te ontnemen heeft Verdonk afgesproken met staatssecretaris van Sport Clémence Ross (CDA).

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24-10-06 16:35:08
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Lubbers kritiseert beleid van Verdonk

Door een onzer redacteuren

Den Haag, 24 okt. Nederland moet stoppen met het huidige, strenge vluchtelingenbeleid van minister Verdonk (Vreemdelingenzaken, VVD). Dat zegt de voormalig Hoge Commissaris voor Vluchtelingen bij de VN en oud-premier Ruud Lubbers (CDA) in een gesprek met het blad Wordt Vervolgd van Amnesty International, dat morgen verschijnt.en verderoverzicht -

Lubbers, sinds juli voorzitter van de Stichting voor Vluchtelingenstudenten (UAF) verkeert Nederland in een toestand van kramp en moet Verdonk „haar karwei niet afmaken”. „Het zou helpen als we de kwestie kunnen ontverdonken”, aldus Lubbers

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